Fragmentos de una enseñanza desconocida. En busca de lo



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  1. Brian Brian says:

    This is another book that totally changed the way I view the world I read it over a period of 2 or 3 years I would read a paragraph or two at a time, or sometimes a few pages, and then try to digest it In this book, Ouspensky meets up with Gurdjieff, a self professed esoteric teacher There is a good deal of debate as to whether or not the latter was an authentic teacher or a charlatan It seems he was some of both and Ouspensky broke with him in the end It also seems that Gurdjieff got most This is another book that totally changed the way I view the world I read it over a period of 2 or 3 years I would read a paragraph or two at a time, or sometimes a few pages, and then try to digest it In this book, Ouspensky meets up with Gurdjieff, a self professed esoteric teacher There is a good deal of debate as to whether or not the latter was an authentic teacher or a charlatan It seems he was some of both and Ouspensky broke with him in the end It also seems that Gurdjieff got most of his teachings from the Sufis Nonetheless, I find him and his teachings quite fascinating One doesn t have to become a true believer to benefit from some of the amazing concepts put forth in The Fourth Way, the system of conscious evolution he espoused There is also a book by the same name which is quite dense and dry, though also interesting.Some of the concepts which have stuck with me are The formatory apparatus the lowest level of logical thinking, which is essentially either or thinking Most people do not progress beyond this and it becomes a hindrance because it rarely applies.Physical evolution only takes us so far and we must consciously evolve ourselves beyond this point This way is against god In other words, we can all exist quite well without becoming truly conscious, just going about our lives in the ordinary way We must go against much in our lives to become truly conscious This latter property is not what most people mean when they use this word Few people are actually truly conscious, which is something like being fully aware of ourselves at all times, not being lulled into stupors by our lives.There are in fact many I s, not just one, as when we refer to ourselves in the first person This is because our minds are split into many different factions based on our feelings Essentially the unity we think we possess is an illusion supported by buffers between the different parts that prevent harsh collisions In this sense we are not one person but many, which explains how we can react in ways seemingly contrary to our previous convictions.There is no real basis for negative emotions and these drain us of the energy needed to become conscious We actually require higher emotional energy to become conscious, and negative emotions drain us of this.All in all this book is quite good because Ouspensky tells the story of his search for, meeting and breaking with this enigmatic character He learns some intriguing things but still ends up confused in the end, without the final answers he longed for


  2. Sue Sue says:

    Having read just about everything written by or about Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Collin, Orage, Nicoll, and countless disciples, spin offs, Sufis, etc., etc., and having been drawn by them into spending years in a Gurdjieff school, and being familiar with the traditions on which the Gurdjieff approach was based, I take a lot of the fourth way material with a large grain of salt The core of the work is a powerful methodology, but noso than, say, vipassana, zen, dzogchen or other solid, me Having read just about everything written by or about Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Collin, Orage, Nicoll, and countless disciples, spin offs, Sufis, etc., etc., and having been drawn by them into spending years in a Gurdjieff school, and being familiar with the traditions on which the Gurdjieff approach was based, I take a lot of the fourth way material with a large grain of salt The core of the work is a powerful methodology, but noso than, say, vipassana, zen, dzogchen or other solid, meditation based tradition There is nothing about the fourth way that is anyesoteric than these other traditions that s right, nothing The biggest difference is that Gurdjieff left behind a legacy of fraudulent teachers and cults, whereas there are many Buddhist and other groups that are reliable Certainly, Buddhist and other groups, being made up of people, have their flaws, and there are things to be learned in some not all Gurdjieff groups, but decades of hard won experience allows me to say that the Gurdjieff tradition is peculiar in attracting power hungry charlatans who exploit the rascal sage idea to gather suckers around themselves It happens in other traditions, but there, it tends to end in disgrace In fourth way groups, duping people seems to be a point of pride Even groups that are not necessarily exploitative or fraudulent tend to attract people who especially like the idea of being esoteric, to use a term Ouspensky used, but which was farappropriate eighty years ago than it is today That is, they like to imagine they ve contacted the real inner work as opposed to those fools who imagine any other traditions can lead to awakening In other words, the ego driven, cult mentality that turns useful information into its opposite The my fourth way group isesoteric Gurdjieffian cooler than your fourth way group dynamic is out of control.Regardless, I strongly recommend In Search of the Miraculous It s the single best book on Gurdjieff s work ever written It s reasonably comprehensive on the important theories and methods It s clear no Beelzebub s Talesian mumbo jumbo It includes enough of Ouspensky s personal comments and experiences to make an entertaining story, but it isn t a self indulgent book about the author and then he said this to me, and then I said that to him I find Ouspensky s other works overly dry and intellectual, but this one is both fun and profound And if you happen to buy a copy that has a bookmark in it from a purported Gurdjieff school toss the bookmark Trust me about that pub 1949read 1975


  3. Sky Sky says:

    Way too much esoteric stuff for my tastes Some paragraphs were interesting, but the rest became a diagonal read I would suggest Charles Tart s Waking Up , which sums up the essence of G s awakening methods most prominently self observation and self remembering , if you want to get practical.


  4. David Balfour David Balfour says:

    The first half of this book is very readable, straightforward, engaging and practical Initially there were very few far out claims, and I felt they were meant to be taken metaphorically For instance, the idea that war is caused by the uncomfortable proximity of certain planets at certain times seems to bean illustration of the way mass movements are the result of mechanical forces But the book becomesandobtuse and really goes downhill after Ouspensky introduces this strange The first half of this book is very readable, straightforward, engaging and practical Initially there were very few far out claims, and I felt they were meant to be taken metaphorically For instance, the idea that war is caused by the uncomfortable proximity of certain planets at certain times seems to bean illustration of the way mass movements are the result of mechanical forces But the book becomesandobtuse and really goes downhill after Ouspensky introduces this strange pretend chemistry that s way too precise and detailed to not be taken literally It talks about hydrogens and has the airs of an actual science, but is totally void of empirical justification It s tedious and slightly embarrassing nonsense, and I don t see any value to it Repeated characterisations of people as machines are particularly poignant against the background of WWI and the October Revolution in Russia, but sometimes it s taken too far There s occasionally this slightly distasteful sense that most of humankind are born dull and die dull, incapable of any sort of enlightenment or true consciousness A quote there are people who are definitely diseased, broken machines with whom nothing can be done And such people are in the majority Lovely, right Also, it s somewhat suspicious that Ouspensky and Gurdjieff dedicate so much space to why you can t possibly attain freedom unless you become part of a group and obey a single leader unconditionally and unquestioningly.This is inevitably Ouspensky s own interpretation of Gurdjieff s teachings, so although most of it is framed as direct quotation, I suspect he s included a lot of his own views just as Plato made Socrates a character in his own dialogues Although this book was endorsed by Gurdjieff, it seems odd that the system insists on understanding being difficult to attain and then Ouspensky goes and puts large swathes of it in an easily digestible, 350 page novel It stands in great contrast to Gurdjieff s own Beelzebub s Tales.Having said all that, some of the ideas in this book are brilliant, like the concept of remembering oneself Gurdjieff s talks about attaining true consciousness reminds me of David Foster Wallace s famous speech This is Water Some of the better ideas here also remind me of Steppenwolf Like Hesse, Gurdjieff sees man as a plurality, and the singular I as an illusion There s also a deeply insightful discussion of the function of symbolism in art and esoteric systems near the end of the book Ouspensky writes about how symbols are used as containers for meaning that can t be expressed through ordinary language He also writes that approaching them with specific pre conceived notions about their meaning in a real world context only leads to a kind of confirmation bias and distorts or distracts from the essential meaning of the symbol


  5. Lloyd Francis Lloyd Francis says:

    This is the most dangerous book you will ever read if your world is filled with sacred old ideas you have never questioned A masterpiece I am still reading it after twenty years.


  6. Maureen Maureen says:

    This book is a treasure trove for anyone wishing to knowabout the Gurdjieff work My copy of it is littered with underlined sentences, enneagrams, scribbled notes on will, being and function, and notes on octaves and self observation Is this an easy read Easier than Gurdjieff, certainly, but so jam packed with useful information, that it needs to be read over the course weeks, or even months In these pages you will learn the way of the fakir, the monk, and the yogi, and, with a little l This book is a treasure trove for anyone wishing to knowabout the Gurdjieff work My copy of it is littered with underlined sentences, enneagrams, scribbled notes on will, being and function, and notes on octaves and self observation Is this an easy read Easier than Gurdjieff, certainly, but so jam packed with useful information, that it needs to be read over the course weeks, or even months In these pages you will learn the way of the fakir, the monk, and the yogi, and, with a little luck, something about your own impermanent I


  7. Dean Dean says:

    Probably one of the best summaries of the whole of Gurdjieff s teachings, and also a nice map of the whole generally accepted story of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky s work The best parts can be found in regards to self observation, self remembering, and the notion of man as a machine The worst parts involve ridiculous theories about the universe s origins, strange interpretations for chemical interactions and how they fit in with made up conceptual models like the Octaves , Law of three , ene Probably one of the best summaries of the whole of Gurdjieff s teachings, and also a nice map of the whole generally accepted story of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky s work The best parts can be found in regards to self observation, self remembering, and the notion of man as a machine The worst parts involve ridiculous theories about the universe s origins, strange interpretations for chemical interactions and how they fit in with made up conceptual models like the Octaves , Law of three , energy transformation , and other not very useful conceptual theories Overall, a great introductory read for anyone interested in Gurdjieff Fourth Way The whole storyline is rather enthralling, and Ouspensky who had a background in journalism, makes for an interesting read regardless of the theories contained therein


  8. Bethan Bethan says:

    This book is a good introduction to Gurdjieff s teachings, presented in a clear and understandable way by the author, who was a student of Gurdjieff himself from 1915 to 1924 Interspersed with this are some interesting personal observations of how Gurdjieff conducted his practice and any special effects of the teachings that the student Ouspensky experienced which is very little Ouspensky appears at first attractively somewhat on the side of scepticism rather than blind faith, and seems hone This book is a good introduction to Gurdjieff s teachings, presented in a clear and understandable way by the author, who was a student of Gurdjieff himself from 1915 to 1924 Interspersed with this are some interesting personal observations of how Gurdjieff conducted his practice and any special effects of the teachings that the student Ouspensky experienced which is very little Ouspensky appears at first attractively somewhat on the side of scepticism rather than blind faith, and seems honest, dutifully focused on understanding and practicing the teachings However, I get the feeling that he came to be under the spell of Gurdjieff and perhaps lacked much ability to step outside of the work to question the bigger picture and the personal motivations of the master, for I sense that there are omissions.As for Gurdjieff s Fourth Way, while I have sympathy for the spiritual seeking of something further, not too unlike religion, the teachings are vague, fantastic, contradictory, beguiling, and unlikely to be anypositive than many unbelievers or non practitioners in practice All in all, it seems likely to me that Gurdjieff was a charismatic charlatan, but this is an interesting look into an alternative worldview set with a backdrop of war and revolution


  9. Bryan Elkins Bryan Elkins says:

    An excellent introduction to the teachings of G I Gurdjieff Fascinating, thorough, engaging and readable but these traits are secondary.To those interested in esoteric traditions, this book should be considered an account of one man s crash course in the teachings that underlie the others If you re into this sort of thing, this book will likely take a position of strong influence on your perception from here on Gurdjieff was a practical man, likely a Sufi master His teachings sidestepped An excellent introduction to the teachings of G I Gurdjieff Fascinating, thorough, engaging and readable but these traits are secondary.To those interested in esoteric traditions, this book should be considered an account of one man s crash course in the teachings that underlie the others If you re into this sort of thing, this book will likely take a position of strong influence on your perception from here on Gurdjieff was a practical man, likely a Sufi master His teachings sidestepped the symbols and mysticism of ancient esoteric initiation systems, in favor of a direct approach that could perhaps be described as cosmic atomic psychology Ouspensky, an independent thinker and the perfect man to bring such experiences to the page, did the world a great service by insisting upon the right to posthumously publish his interactions with his one time teacher This was my first encounter with Gurdjieff, and though I certainly recommend his own writings as well, this book has served as a perfect introduction for many people in the last half century.Own a copy begs multiple reads Some argue that in the Western esoteric tradition, Gurdjieff was the one true master keyholder, far surpassing Crowley, Blavatsky or any other of the western guru types for the depth and clarity of both his teachings and his being


  10. David David says:

    This is also one of my most favorite books I don t know anyone who understands everything who reads it, however what you do understand will change your life This work is brilliant in the way that the information is described It is a very mental book It will require you to think while reading it.


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